Illegal Drops - Guild Wars Forums

TheRaven · Nov 30, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Hi there. I'm a relatively new player in this game (been playing about 4-5 months now) and I'm curious about something.

I got into a PUG group last night to do the "Unwelcomed Guest" Quest in Zen Daijun. This quest is fairly long and it took our group about an hour to complete. None of us were expert players, but none were obvious noobs either. Also, we had a full group of 6 players, no henchies along.

Well, the drops weren't great. I got about 4 or 5 augmented flesh and some white weapons. The others got about the same....

Except.....

There were 5 gold drops during the quest.....

All for the same player.

(Not me)

Well after about the 3rd gold drop, the guys in my group got really really angy. They accused the lucky player of hacking the game and/or using 3rd party mods to rig the drops. The lucky player never denied this, they just responded with smiley face emotes. The rest of the players in my group were extremely mad and about 3 of them said they were reporting "Lucky" to A-net.

Is there any truth to this? Can a person really rig drops with a cheat program? If so, that really sucks IMO! Or was this just a case of sour grapes.

5 golds did seem to be a bit high. Odds wise.

Maria The Princess · Nov 30, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

well, drops are suposably RANDOM and generated by Anet, not something a player can control. maby this guy got crazy luck. I really dont think there is a new thing that is a program on your compy that controlls drops from anet

Dauntless · Nov 30, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

Pure luck.

AFAIK the only "hacks" that can be made to the game are client side and don't actually effect the data on the servers. So no I highly highly doubt that that player was haking, all luck.

Loviatar · Nov 30, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

it is all controlled server side not client side.

the sore heads were unlucky as you cant hack it or dupe it etc

TheRaven · Dec 01, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Well that's certainly good to know. I have enough to worry about with all the scammers out there. I don't need to deal with hackers cheating me as well. You wouldn't believe the stupidity of some of the scams I've seen in towns lately.

Never mind, you probably would. You guys play this game just as much as I do. It's sad that people actually fall for them.

I figured the drops were server side, but wasn't sure if some code from the client could influence them or not. I'm a programmer, but I don't do web programming and the complexity of the games nowadays is beyond me.

Covah · Dec 01, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

the monks usually get the best of the drops for some reason I find

In FOW I heal and I usually only get dusts and whites but I don't complain

. Its all just random.

xxSilhouette · Dec 01, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Luck i would say. I actually have had very lucky experiances like that in my time, for example - While traveling through factions, I played my ritualist one going through everything from tanahki temple to hatchery with almost the same group. During the bored seabed mission one of the other players got a black dye, two gold weapons, and a sapphire. Then later, when we got to hatchery, i got a jadeite shard, an amber chuck, a gold weapon, & a ruby. Both of these times no one else got any good drops.

There might be something out there like that, but I know that i have had good luck before in the past, its not often though, but it can happen.

Elemental Cotton · Dec 01, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Like Silhouette said, it's just luck and that doesn't happen often.

Antheus · Dec 01, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

I got 4/4 ectos in a single 4 person trapping group run.

So, I guess I should say

It's luck.

MegaMouse · Dec 01, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44

Its good that you and your teammates reported the "lucky" player. Granted most drops are luck of the draw but they are supposed to be randomized so that each person within a grop gets and equal number of good drops. This usualy is the case. I also found that a lot of monks get an extraordinary number of good drops too (does A-Net and NC-Soft reward players for playing a Monk??). I am not saying that the "lucky" player was cheating but at least now A-Net and NC-Soft can look at what happened and see what is going on. If they don't find anything then great, but if they do find something suspisious then that confirms the roumor that I have herd that there are other cheats available other than the "bot's" (Crystal Desert anyone??).
I personaly am not too lucky, but as of late I have been getting a rather nice number of purple an gold drops but nothing to brag about. I still get the white and blue ones but not as often as I was in the past.

Mega Mouse

VitisVinifera · Dec 01, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

jesus I hope I never get in a pug with the OP, I just might be reported for doing nothing

gg

VGJustice · Dec 01, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

VitisVinifera, it still wouldn't matter if you were doing nothing because nothing would be done to you.

And that did seem a little strange, like the randomizer was stuck in one position. Reporting that as a bug can help make the game better for everyone.

Deviant Angel · Dec 01, 2006, 05:25 AM // 05:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMouse

I also found that a lot of monks get an extraordinary number of good drops too (does A-Net and NC-Soft reward players for playing a Monk??).

My luck is just as bad on my monk as it is on my other characters!

VitisVinifera · Dec 01, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGJustice

VitisVinifera, it still wouldn't matter if you were doing nothing because nothing would be done to you.

And that did seem a little strange, like the randomizer was stuck in one position. Reporting that as a bug can help make the game better for everyone.

anerf has mass banned large groups of people for doing nothing before -- during the Dragon Festival, many ppl who afk'ed in the luck games got banned (this was well-documented and can't be denied).

personally I like my privacy not to be invaded, whether its pricks tattling on me because they are sore losers, or anerf investigating my acct for perceived injustices

Chris616263 · Dec 01, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Speaking of illegal drops; don't piles of glittering dust remind you of something?

Mesmer in Need · Dec 01, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

well: what if everyone exept the lucky one had the anti farming code on them, while the lucky guy had little or no code on him?

KoalaMeatPie · Dec 01, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Its Pure "luck"

Each time I threw a Tombs Run I always get AT LEAST Victo's Axe. 9eccept maybe once) and On a Few times I got three Greens, but always Victo's Axe.

Swinging Fists · Dec 01, 2006, 08:47 AM // 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

Hi there. I'm a relatively new player in this game (been playing about 4-5 months now) and I'm curious about something.

I got into a PUG group last night to do the "Unwelcomed Guest" Quest in Zen Daijun. This quest is fairly long and it took our group about an hour to complete. None of us were expert players, but none were obvious noobs either. Also, we had a full group of 6 players, no henchies along.

Well, the drops weren't great. I got about 4 or 5 augmented flesh and some white weapons. The others got about the same....

Except.....

There were 5 gold drops during the quest.....

All for the same player.

(Not me)

Well after about the 3rd gold drop, the guys in my group got really really angy. They accused the lucky player of hacking the game and/or using 3rd party mods to rig the drops. The lucky player never denied this, they just responded with smiley face emotes. The rest of the players in my group were extremely mad and about 3 of them said they were reporting "Lucky" to A-net.

Is there any truth to this? Can a person really rig drops with a cheat program? If so, that really sucks IMO! Or was this just a case of sour grapes.

5 golds did seem to be a bit high. Odds wise.

Your group may not have been noobs, but if they were serious about accusing the lucky one of hacking - they are morons instead. The reaction of the lucky one to the hack accusations (which s/he probably took in jest) were completely ordinary as many of us would just give a smiley at such a time. No hack - just luck. I remember when farming greens during the factions triple drop weekend, no matter who I farmed with - I got all the greens. That was fun :P.

Cebe · Dec 01, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Some people are really unlucky...some people are really lucky. As for me, I'm a "really unlucky" one! For example, I will go to Aborstone and 90% of the time (when Milefaun Mindflayer is there) I will see Milefaun's Staff drop....and 100% of that time it's NEVER been for me! Considering the number of times I have done Aborstone you would have thought it may have dropped for me once, but no. Also, for instance, if I go into Nahpui, as I have done on numerous occaisions, lots of other people will get gold chest drops...but not me. It is frustrating but it's probably not an "OMFG n00b HaX0R" moment. I just accept it now!

The problem with ANet is they seem to take the view that you are "Guilty until proven otherwise"...that is, they seem to ban you for doing nothing so they can ascertain you have not done anything wrong, so, I think it would be wrong to report someone for getting 5 gold chest drops, even if they did not say they weren't using a third party program...they may have just sent "smilies" when asked for 2 reasons: 1. to ruffle your feathers or 2. because they were happy for getting all those gold drops.

Sooty · Dec 01, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Did an oro run once with a guildy and a bunch of other people. My guildy got 6 or 7 greens, rest of us got nothing. Crazy stuff, but not hax.

Nov 30, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41	#1
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	Illegal Drops Hi there. I'm a relatively new player in this game (been playing about 4-5 months now) and I'm curious about something. I got into a PUG group last night to do the "Unwelcomed Guest" Quest in Zen Daijun. This quest is fairly long and it took our group about an hour to complete. None of us were expert players, but none were obvious noobs either. Also, we had a full group of 6 players, no henchies along. Well, the drops weren't great. I got about 4 or 5 augmented flesh and some white weapons. The others got about the same.... Except..... There were 5 gold drops during the quest..... All for the same player. (Not me) Well after about the 3rd gold drop, the guys in my group got really really angy. They accused the lucky player of hacking the game and/or using 3rd party mods to rig the drops. The lucky player never denied this, they just responded with smiley face emotes. The rest of the players in my group were extremely mad and about 3 of them said they were reporting "Lucky" to A-net. Is there any truth to this? Can a person really rig drops with a cheat program? If so, that really sucks IMO! Or was this just a case of sour grapes. 5 golds did seem to be a bit high. Odds wise.

Nov 30, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44	#2
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	well, drops are suposably RANDOM and generated by Anet, not something a player can control. maby this guy got crazy luck. I really dont think there is a new thing that is a program on your compy that controlls drops from anet

Nov 30, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45	#3
Dauntless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/	Pure luck. AFAIK the only "hacks" that can be made to the game are client side and don't actually effect the data on the servers. So no I highly highly doubt that that player was haking, all luck.

Nov 30, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48	#4
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	it is all controlled server side not client side. the sore heads were unlucky as you cant hack it or dupe it etc

Dec 01, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01	#5
TheRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Guild: Spirit of Elisha Profession: W/	Well that's certainly good to know. I have enough to worry about with all the scammers out there. I don't need to deal with hackers cheating me as well. You wouldn't believe the stupidity of some of the scams I've seen in towns lately. Never mind, you probably would. You guys play this game just as much as I do. It's sad that people actually fall for them. I figured the drops were server side, but wasn't sure if some code from the client could influence them or not. I'm a programmer, but I don't do web programming and the complexity of the games nowadays is beyond me.

Dec 01, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17	#6
Covah Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Catching Jellyfish With [소N트T ] Profession: Me/Rt	the monks usually get the best of the drops for some reason I find In FOW I heal and I usually only get dusts and whites but I don't complain . Its all just random.

Dec 01, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22	#7
xxSilhouette Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lost in the sands of time... Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO] Profession: R/Rt	Luck i would say. I actually have had very lucky experiances like that in my time, for example - While traveling through factions, I played my ritualist one going through everything from tanahki temple to hatchery with almost the same group. During the bored seabed mission one of the other players got a black dye, two gold weapons, and a sapphire. Then later, when we got to hatchery, i got a jadeite shard, an amber chuck, a gold weapon, & a ruby. Both of these times no one else got any good drops. There might be something out there like that, but I know that i have had good luck before in the past, its not often though, but it can happen.

Dec 01, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23	#8
Elemental Cotton Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: E/Mo	Like Silhouette said, it's just luck and that doesn't happen often.

Dec 01, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38	#9
Antheus Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006	I got 4/4 ectos in a single 4 person trapping group run. So, I guess I should say It's luck.

Dec 01, 2006, 12:44 AM // 00:44	#10
MegaMouse Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: south mississippi Guild: Warriors Of Melos WOM Profession: E/N	Its good that you and your teammates reported the "lucky" player. Granted most drops are luck of the draw but they are supposed to be randomized so that each person within a grop gets and equal number of good drops. This usualy is the case. I also found that a lot of monks get an extraordinary number of good drops too (does A-Net and NC-Soft reward players for playing a Monk??). I am not saying that the "lucky" player was cheating but at least now A-Net and NC-Soft can look at what happened and see what is going on. If they don't find anything then great, but if they do find something suspisious then that confirms the roumor that I have herd that there are other cheats available other than the "bot's" (Crystal Desert anyone??). I personaly am not too lucky, but as of late I have been getting a rather nice number of purple an gold drops but nothing to brag about. I still get the white and blue ones but not as often as I was in the past. Mega Mouse

Dec 01, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44	#11
VitisVinifera Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Northern California Guild: HoTR Profession: N/Me	jesus I hope I never get in a pug with the OP, I just might be reported for doing nothing gg

Dec 01, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16	#12
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	VitisVinifera, it still wouldn't matter if you were doing nothing because nothing would be done to you. And that did seem a little strange, like the randomizer was stuck in one position. Reporting that as a bug can help make the game better for everyone.

Dec 01, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36	#15
Chris616263 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: Me/	Speaking of illegal drops; don't piles of glittering dust remind you of something?

Dec 01, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37	#16
Mesmer in Need Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: [ToA]	well: what if everyone exept the lucky one had the anti farming code on them, while the lucky guy had little or no code on him?

Dec 01, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46	#17
KoalaMeatPie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cute And Fluffy in My Tummy Guild: Cult Classic [CC] Profession: R/	Its Pure "luck" Each time I threw a Tombs Run I always get AT LEAST Victo's Axe. 9eccept maybe once) and On a Few times I got three Greens, but always Victo's Axe.

Dec 01, 2006, 09:07 AM // 09:07	#19
Cebe The 5th Celestial Boss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Inverness, Scotland Guild: The Cult of Scaro [WHO] Profession: E/	Some people are really unlucky...some people are really lucky. As for me, I'm a "really unlucky" one! For example, I will go to Aborstone and 90% of the time (when Milefaun Mindflayer is there) I will see Milefaun's Staff drop....and 100% of that time it's NEVER been for me! Considering the number of times I have done Aborstone you would have thought it may have dropped for me once, but no. Also, for instance, if I go into Nahpui, as I have done on numerous occaisions, lots of other people will get gold chest drops...but not me. It is frustrating but it's probably not an "OMFG n00b HaX0R" moment. I just accept it now! The problem with ANet is they seem to take the view that you are "Guilty until proven otherwise"...that is, they seem to ban you for doing nothing so they can ascertain you have not done anything wrong, so, I think it would be wrong to report someone for getting 5 gold chest drops, even if they did not say they weren't using a third party program...they may have just sent "smilies" when asked for 2 reasons: 1. to ruffle your feathers or 2. because they were happy for getting all those gold drops.

Dec 01, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20	#20
Sooty Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Australia Guild: Giggity Giggity Goo	Did an oro run once with a guildy and a bunch of other people. My guildy got 6 or 7 greens, rest of us got nothing. Crazy stuff, but not hax.